With the recent election of avowed socialist Evo Morales as the president of Bolivia, Latin America’s turn to the political and economic left continues. Venezuela and Bolivia now have elected presidents who publicly declare themselves to be socialists, who discuss (and even implement) land redistribution programs, and who are willing to antagonize the United States. In addition, the presidents of Argentina and Brazil have leftist origins and sympathies, although they are more moderate than Bolivian and Venezuelan leftists. Finally, other countries have elected presidents with leftist platforms or from traditionally Marxist political parties — although those presidents have turned out to implement quite different programs once in office. This last set of countries includes Ecuador and Chile, among others.
The current post will briefly ask three questions. First, is it reasonable to characterize Evo Morales as a threat to regional stability, as the US State Department has tended to do? Second, what does this broad turn to the left in Latin America mean, and where does it come from? Third, what does all of this mean for the church?
So, first off, US press coverage and official statements about Evo Morales have tended to focus primarily on one of his proposals: the legalization of coca farming. Coca, of course, is the plant which serves as the primary raw material for producing cocaine. In its unprocessed form, coca isn’t a powerful drug at all and in fact is used as a widely-available medicine for altitude sickness in the Andes. When processed, however, it becomes one of the major motive forces behind the international drug trade.
With US funding, and as part of the US drug trade, Bolivia has spent the last several years trying to eradicate coca production within its borders. Since much of the coca produced in South America ends up being exported to the First World by the major drug gangs in the form of cocaine, this eradication effort may at first glance seem to be a direct struggle with elite figures from the criminal underworld. However, the actual market structure of cocaine production makes the picture more complicated. Most of the coca used in the drug trade is produced not by drug lords directly, but rather by small independent farmers. These farmers sell their coca to the drug gangs for rather small amounts of money, and they enjoy a lifestyle just above subsistence level. Virtually all of the profit from drug production accrues to the refiners, shippers, and First World dealers — not to the farmers.
So, when Latin American governments crack down on drug crop production, rather than on refining or shipping operations, they are essentially going to war against tens of thousands of poor farmers. Distaste for this reality lies behind Morales’s proposal to decriminalize coca production in Bolivia and stop crop eradication efforts. Such a proposal need not amount to legalization of the cocaine trade; if the US were to negotiate a realignment of efforts in Bolivia toward closing shipping lanes, the net result for the global drug trade would likely be comparable to the outcome under the current crop-eradication system. (Indeed, my two or three friends who work drug-war jobs in Latin America have told me that the biggest successes in the drug war have all come from eliminating shipping routes or destroying refinement facilities — because the drug gangs can easily encourage vast overproduction of the raw materials, making the drug supply essentially eradication-proof.)
In other words, the US preoccupation with Morales’s drug-policy proposals are probably unwarranted, and the depiction of him as a threat to regional stability overdrawn.
Beyond coca production policy, what else does Morales stand for? In fact, like much of the rest of the current Latin American left, it’s easier to say what he stands against. He opposes the package of trade openness, labor market deregulation, and dramatic cuts in government social spending that the United States, the World Bank, and the IMF have been pushing in the region for the last 25 years. This policy package has become remarkably unpopular in Latin America in recent years, with surveys in nearly every country showing clear majority opposition to each element of the policy package. In a previous post, I’ve talked about a major reason for this change in perceptions: the package of reforms advocated by the US (called “neoliberalism”) hasn’t always worked very well. In many countries, the economy has gotten much worse, or at best not any better, for the average individual since these reforms were introduced. Naturally, this leads people to seek new alternatives. In this light, the rise of the new left in Latin America is more a reflection of the economic failures of the center and the right than it is an affirmation of redistribution or an increased state role in the economy.
However, there’s a bit of a puzzle in thinking about Bolivia in terms of economics; the average Bolivian has actually done pretty well over the last generation, as can be seen in this chart from the post linked above. The key to understanding Morales’s election has to do with some details of Bolivia. First, while the average Bolivian has done pretty well since 1980, many Bolivians (especially outside of the capitol city) have not. These people who have not benefited from recent changes are clearly less than half of Bolivian society, but they are still a substantial group. Furthermore, while most Bolivians are better off than they were in 1980, they’re still in pretty bad economic shape: 62% of Bolivian households were below the poverty line in 2005. Hence, while things have gotten better, they simply haven’t gotten enough better for enough people. Second, the Bolivian political system is quite fragmented, such that the first-place candidate in the 2002 popular vote received only about 22.5% of the vote. Hence, it was difficult for the opposition to successfully coordinate against Morales’s candidacy.
There’s a second sense in which the current rise of the left can be seen as a result of failures by the center and the right: corruption. Concerns about corruption among the old ruling elites played a central role in Chavez’s election in Venezuela, to Lula’s election in Brazil, and to Kirchner’s victory in Argentina. Polling data suggests that similar concerns have contributed to Morales’s recent victory. So the left has capitalized on the perceived inability of the Latin American center and right to refrain from robbing their countries blind.
In other words, the new left in Latin America doesn’t seem to draw its support from a broad base of ideologically-mobilized supporters. Instead, it is based on a large group of people who are tired of being poor and who are worried about corruption in the government. This essential pragmatism at the level of the left’s electoral base may help explain one of the noteworthy factors of the new Latin left: its lack of a clear program. In contrast to past, Marxist iterations of the left, the new left in Latin America has goals but few if any ideologically defined programs. Nationalization isn’t seen as automatically being desirable, tariffs and exit taxes are out of fashion, and thus the left is newly willing to experiment with policy packages — a pragmatic attitude that corresponds nicely to the composition of the left’s electoral base.
So, what does this all mean for the church? Unfortunately, bad things. In Latin America, the LDS church retains a heavily US-American image. There are multiple reasons for this. Most of our leaders are Anglos. Many of our missionaries in Latin America are from the US. Mormon architecture in Latin America is often a direct US import, as are the patterns and rhythms of Mormon worship services. These factors create a strong identification of the church with the US in many people’s minds.
Yet the current climate in Latin America, reflected in as well as fostered by these leftist governments, is one of suspicion or even antagonism toward the United States. The US has been quite active in designing the economic policies of Latin American governments since the debt crisis of the early 1980s, and so our country receives (perhaps in part deservingly) blame for the consequences of those policies. To the extent that the image of the church is connected to the image of the US, the church will suffer in the current climate.
What could be done to avoid these negative consequences? It seems to me that the church would have to weaken its perceived ties to the US. One easy step in that direction would be to send Latino general authorities to give press conferences on Latin American TV stations. In these conferences, it would be wise for our church leaders to express concern about “the excesses of global capitalism,” a phrase which doesn’t really commit anyone to anything. After all, who’s in favor of “excesses”? To elaborate on the meaning of that stock phrase, the leaders could tell stories of children starving or dying of preventable disease in Latin America, and then state (correctly) that such outcomes are contrary to the gospel of Jesus Christ as we understand it. Such an effort would yield massive gains to the church by reducing its perceived connection with the US government.
Second, and more difficult, the church could try to help its missionaries project less of an American image while serving. But this is an immensely complicated topic, so I will set it aside for the present.
Third, and most difficult of all, the church could decentralize some degree of meaningful control to Latin American regional leaders. If manuals were written in Latin America and reflected distinctly Latino priorities and images of the gospel — rather than the distinctly Anglo priorities and images they currently represent — this would help the members feel less connected to the US. Such a feeling of equality would likely serve to eventually sever the imagined link between the LDS church and the US.


A fine analysis. Thank you. I agree with your suggestions on how the Church could move forward here. I would further suggest heavy reduction in the number of Anglo, U.S. American missionaries (sadly, and although I would prefer to live in a colorless world where noone talks about what race someone else is, I think we could still send hispanic-looking U.S. missionaries down there, or anglos from Europe, etc.).
In the foreign policy sphere, it would be nice if the U.S. could just forget Latin America. No program or policy that is introduced in an attempt to reduce poverty, improve economies, or teach the keys to successful economies are appreciated. Rather, they are viewed as imperialism. The help, if it does not consist of naked handouts, is not desired. U.S. involvement in Latin America merely feeds the fuel of petty politicians who use anti-U.S. Americanism as a cheap political tool to get votes and rally the masses behind an easy and common enemy. Blame all problems on the U.S. instead of the tin-pot, corrupt, brutal, greedy, and oppressive dictators that are constantly in power in those countries. Those countries will never succeed, whether under socialism, capitalism, or neo-liberalism, until the people and especially their leaders become civic-minded, adopt a sense of civic republicanism, and firmly reject good-old-boy corrupt politicians who are the source, together with a lack of common dedication to the rule of law, of those failed states. A wide-scale political disengagement from Latin America would be a very welcome change, in my opinion. We need to stop trying to direct policy in those countries. Our businesses will still be able to trade with Latin American countries and businesses if Washington isn’t trying to force neo-liberalism down the throats of those who do not want it.
So, when Latin American governments crack down on drug crop production, rather than on refining or shipping operations, they are essentially going to war against tens of thousands of poor farmers.
Although this is peripheral to your post, I still feel constrained to ask: How would the tens of thousands of poor farmers be better off if Latin American governments were to successfully crack down on refining or shipping operations? It’s not like they have some alternative buyers.
Roasted Tomatoes,
The LDS Church is not only regarded in Latin America as an US phenomenon. Even in Europe, other churches are much more successful than us. It goes way beyond token representatives. What are those locals supposed to do? They do not have fiscal authority and therefore cannot adapt Church programs to national needs and opportunities. The real problem is correlation and centralization.
There is no reason why every Mormon needs to become half an American. Until Church leaders are able to critically engage their own culture and respect that of others, they will not be able to meet the spiritual needs of foreigners. They will have to let go.
Although this is peripheral to your post, I still feel constrained to ask: How would the tens of thousands of poor farmers be better off if Latin American governments were to successfully crack down on refining or shipping operations? It’s not like they have some alternative buyers.That’s a great point. Demand for coca would drop if drug infrastructure were destroyed. Nonetheless, there are benefits to farmers if the US would leave them alone.
For starters, their other crops would not get destroyed anymore when the US sprays round-up. And they could legitimately serve local uses of coca.
RT,
I noticed you didn’t discuss the racial aspect: I believe Morales is a native Indian, and the ruling elites have been mostly whiter types. I don’t know much about this, but it’s hard for me to believe that this wouldn’t be important. Do you have any comments about that?
Also, do you know how many mormon converts come from the indigenous populations? Are mormon churches lighter or darker than the rest of the country, and how does this affect perceptions of the church as an American institution? Or does it not matter?
Thanks for the comments, everyone. John, I certainly find much to support in your call for disengagement. I wonder, though, if we could couple that move with a creative reengagement targeted at helping individuals rather than governments.
Last Lemming, the main point is that the farmers will no longer feel that their own government is at war with them. Hellmut’s comments are also relevant. Finally, there are widespread rumors that the crop abatement sprays cause health problems.
Ed, I’ve deliberately disregarded racial issues, for a set of reasons. First, race and economic class are heavily confounded in Latin America. Thus, the indigenous-rights movement of which Evo Morales has long been a part could almost equally well be seen as a poor-farmer’s-rights movement. Second, conceptions of race and race categories differ by surprisingly large amounts from country to country within the region, making comparison complicated to say the least. Third, I have no data other than the anecdotal about the racial composition of the LDS church in Latin America.
That said, ethnic themes have certainly been a part of the message of the new Latin American left. Chavez, although substantially of European descent, is still of noticeably darker skin than almost any traditional Venezuelan politician. Morales until recently was as much an indigenous rights activist as a politician. These themes are largely expressed in symbolic action, such as asserting multiethnic status for the nation in Venezuela’s 2000 constitution. But they are an important part of the package of ideas.
In my experience, the membership of our church in Latin America is about as racially mixed as the broader society. It helps that the massive expansion of the church in the region came after 1978, so that racial exclusions weren’t a major factor shaping our membership composition.
However, the local leadership in Latin America seems in my experience to be whiter and generally more European-influenced than the population as a whole. This may serve to reinforce the perceived Americanness of the church. But, it’s all speculation, because I don’t really know the composition of church leadership throughout the region beyond my own experience.
Hellmut, I agree that real decentralization including at least some local control over lesson manuals and meeting formats will eventually be necessary if the church is interested in shedding its symbolic connections with the US and thus avoiding the negative tides of world public opinion that occasionally arise.
Thanks for this post.
the church could decentralize some degree of meaningful control to Latin American regional leaders.
The church has a number of very solid leaders in Latin America. Whether or not they are prepared to make more autonomous decisions is not something I can comment on as I haven’t spent time there analyzing the situation. I do think that your idea to decentralize some would be very beneficial. In conjunction with that it would help to have a central Latin American Headquarters that could be something of a rallying point for the people in that area.
Decentralization is also a necessity in terms of efficiency. There is no way, bureaucrats in Salt Lake can appreciate local opportunities and challenges sufficiently to make informed decisions.
If the press reports are accurate that the United States is spraying bacillus thuringiensis based substances then there will be no direct effects on humans. The active substance is a bacillus rather than a poison. There is no chemical residue except for protein when the bacillus decays after several weeks.
One can see though why people would attribute negative health phenomena to a foreign power and a remote government that sprays their crops.
Damages to legitimate food crops are a real possibility, especially, if the dusters fly too high (fearing small arms fire) or if it is windy. BT based pesticides will destroy any plant except those that have been genetically engineered for resistance.
The downside to decentralization is that there is a corresponding increase in huge abuses of power and screwups. There tends to be a cycle in the church where the brethren start giving more power to bishops, stake presidents and mission presidents until a bunch of screw ups make them tighten the reins. It lasts a decade or two and then the process repeats.
The other problem I’ve heard, and it tends to be an unfortunate stereotype that I know isn’t true in general, but perhaps is true too often, is the issue of leaders and managers. Now US leadership often gets criticized for being too management oriented. However in the modern church there are reasons for that. Once again after screwups over accounting and other such things, people who have management skills often get brought in.
Is this as big an issue in S. America and Central America? I don’t know, having never lived there. I only hear the second hand reports. And I tend to think those exaggerate downward the spiritual and real leadership skills of Americans, exaggerate upwards the same of Latinos, and then do the opposite for management skills. But as I said, I don’t know. But I wonder if there is truth to the stereotype.
RT, thanks for the response. The facts that race and class are closely related in Latin America and that Morales comes out of an indigenous rights movement only strenthen my suspicion that racial issues might be an important part of what is happening. It doesn’t surprise me, either, that local LDS leaders tend to be white, since whites are probably wealthier and more educted. It will be very interesting to see how this all plays out for the church down there.
Clark, abuse is not the issue. The one thing that is decentralized in the LDS system is the Church judicial system. There is no canon law. Bishops and stake presidents enjoy tremendous latitude. So much so that some people argue that the Church judicial system is arbitrary because the same offenses are punished completely different by different judges.
The Mormon organization decentralizes the judicial system, which would be more just and more efficient if governed by a centralized code or body of case law. We centralize management, instructional and public relations materials, which require adaptation to the conditions at hand. It’s bizarre.
Logically, doctrine and church discipline need to be centralized. Everything else ought to be localized. The role of leadership would be oversight, such as auditing of finances, and training of leadership personnel.
With respect to qualified personnel, if we find ourselves without qualified personnel after being in a country for decades then we really need to ask ourselves what we have been doing all that time.
Decentralization works. It works for the Catholic Church, which has much greater diversity issues than we do. It works for the Penteconstals, for the Seven Day Adventists, and many other organizations.
Instead, it is based on a large group of people who are tired of being poor and who are worried about corruption in the government.
Well said.
There have been a number of very prominent socialist and communist leftist LDS leaders in South and Central America, from Molly and other imports to local ones (some of which had positive meeting with E.T. Benson during general conference after he met with Molly).
There is room for a major evolution, much as happened in Brazil.
That’s interesting, Stephen.
Who is Molly? What’s her story with ETB, please?
By the way, most LDS abroad are lefties (my guess 60%). If they were conservatives then they would have stayed Catholic.
In Germany, I was actually a conservative in some ways. These days even the conservatives around the world are far to the left of the Bushies but that’s a different story.
RT:
My main concern with Morales regards his rumblings toward cancellation of oil and other contracts with MNCs. While MNCs are a mixed bag, such a move is bound to disruptl the flow of foreign direct investment, a negative development in my opinion.
Hellmut, I’d disagree and argue that abuse is precisely the issue why the brethren are wary of decentralization.
“There have been a number of very prominent socialist and communist leftist LDS leaders in South and Central America”
Being LDS and a socialist/communist (batting for both sides) is wrong.
Reminds me of what the Lord said to the Laodiceans in The Revelation of ST. John the Divine, Chapter 3…
“15 - I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
“16 - So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.”
By defending socialism/communism they are fighting against the very principles of freedom that made the restoration of Christ’s Church possible.
In the war in Heaven it was those who supported socialist/communistic principles who were on Satan’s side, and unforunately, he’s still recruiting, and gaining popularity, here on earth.
If abuse is the issue why don’t LDS leaders institute the rule of law for church courts like the Catholic Church?
The Mormon Alliance has compiled case reports that assess the current level of abuse. It’s requires a considerable effort to imagine how it can possibly get any worse.
If it was about abuse then we would centralize the legal process. Instead we decentralize legal matters. The behavior does not indicate concern about abuse.
Latter-day Conservative: there has been at least one socialist Apostle in church history: N. Eldon Tanner. There are some in the church who would agree with you that socialism is in conflict with Latter-day Saint belief and others who would not. But there has been no revelation or authoritative statement on this subject.
“there has been no revelation or authoritative statement on this subject.”
So what you are saying is that it’s not an authoritative statement unless it came from a prophet other than President Ezra Taft Benson? He said a lot about the incompatibility of socialism and the Church; here are a few of those statements:
No true Latter-day Saint can be a Communist or a Socialist because Communist principles run counter to the revealed word of God and to the Constitution of this land which was established by men whom the God of Heaven raised up unto that very purpose [D&C 101:80]. (Ezra Taft Benson “A Four-Fold Hope” 11)
“Our real enemies,” said President [J. Reuben] Clark, “are communism and its running mate, socialism. . . .”
“. . . Its purpose is to destroy the Constitution and our Constitutional government.” (Ezra Taft Benson “Righteousness Exalteth a Nation” 516-17; also in TL 109-10)
I do not believe an American citizen can be patriotic and loyal to his own country and its God-inspired Constitution of freedom without being anti-communist—anti-socialist. (Ezra Taft Benson “Let Us Live to Keep Men Free” 10; also in TL 15)
Let us not be deceived in the sifting days ahead. Let us rally together on principle behind the prophet as guided by the promptings of the Spirit. We should continue to speak out for freedom and against socialism and communism. We should continue to come to the aid of patriots, programs, and organizations that are trying to save our Constitution through every legal and moral means possible. (Ezra Taft Benson “Be Not Deceived” 1065; compare GFC 342)
Latter-Day Conservative,
Check out RT’s “Democracy in Iraq” post. He discussed this stuff with Brian M.; it’ll give you a good idea how we both think about it.
Hellmut, we’re equivocating over the term abuse. Perhaps I should have used a different term. I am not using it in the sense that critics of church courts are using it.
LDC, here’s a link to the post that Serenity Valley mentioned. The discussion in comments there covers much of the Benson-related ground.
With respect to what I meant by “authoritative statement” above, I am of course referring to statements that are binding on all members of the church. These are statements that are accepted by common consent at a general conference, such as the scriptures, the official declarations, or the recent proclamations. Benson’s personal political theology is by no means inadmissable, but it is no more authoritative than the personal political theology of his opponents within the church leadership, such as Hugh B. Brown.
We only take prophets seriously when they are acting as such (thanks to Joseph Smith). Hence, in addition to offering quotes, it seems to me that it is necessary to offer additional evidence that the quote in question represents a moment of divine revelation and not personal belief. This is especially difficult since it’s not clear that people always know for sure when they speak with divine authority and when they are reflecting their own views.
Clark, it might clarify the conversation somewhat if you explained what, in fact, you have in mind in using the term “abuse.” You haven’t really specified your meaning in this thread, so I’m not sure what kinds of local mistakes you think are the major reason for correlation.
RT: Thanks so much for this! These are the sorts of posts that keep me coming back to this blog. I am curious exactly what it is that the new Left in Latin America is going to do if they are not interested in nationalizing, tarrifs, or capital controls? I have read about Morales wanting to transfer ownership of natural gas to the state, which would in effect make the MNC who own the well-heads now into service providers rather than owners. Is there anything else that he actually wants to do? Furthermore, if he is going to increase social spending how does he pay for it? Taxing the Bolivians? Borrowing? Inflating the currency?
On Church decentralization, I think that you are right that this would solve some problems. I suppose that it is always a question of what the costs are on the other side. I wonder, for example, about the simple finacial costs of decentralization. One economic advantage is that it avoids duplication. On this front, I think that it is important to remember that the Church is not rich, but fiscally strapped. The issue is not how many zeros one can goggle at when reading Newsweek articles, but rather the relationship between finacial commitments and finacial resources.
One interesting thing to think about is what aspects of the Church could be decentralized easiest and to the greatest benefit?
1. Sunday school curriculums?
2. Worship format? (Hymns, music, etc.)
3. Budget control?
4. Missionary program?
5. ?????????????
For example, it seems to me that altering worship services on a regional basis would have the biggest impact on public percpetions, but wouldn’t necessarily require decentralizing fiscal or curricular control. As to fiscal decentralization, it would be a disaster in developing countries that are net beneficiaries of incoming tithing dollars form above. The last thing we want is for money in affluent areas of the Church to sit around affluent church units chasing ever more marginally valuable projects, e.g. a super-duper all-expenses paid youth outing to Disney Land. As a ward finacial clerk, I have to say that it warms my heart to see how much money is transfered out of my affluent Northern Virginia ward every week. That transfer of resources is something made possible by centralization.
As to fiscal decentralization, it would be a disaster in developing countries
Nate, not just “developing countries.” A glance at the UK Charity Commission’s returns from the Church in the UK shows that British Saints benefit from a major “loan” from Salt Lake (several million dollars, IIRC).
But go ahead with 1, 2 and 4!!
So, as per the Charity Commission, Salt Lake donated 15 million pounds ($25m) to the UK Church in 2002 and 2003. This represents a decent proportion of the entire income (I am no accountant though, so am reluctant to do the exact sums!)
Oh sure, Mormons could be great anti-Communists in Idaho. In East Germany, we were Honecker’s big demonstration project. Whenever the Lutherans would raise religious freedom issues, the Commies would come back: The Mormons don’t have any problems with our government. During the Leipzig demonstrations, Church leaders even advised LDS members to stay at home.
Do you think perhaps the Church leaders advised LDS members to not participate in the Leipzig demonstrations because it could cause more harm than good to the Church in Germany? I know that in some countries if the Church were too outspoken on political issues they would be banned from the country. (I know from experience in Haiti). Thus, they must be silent on certain issues so that the true gospel of Christ can go forth, and the Church can expand.
Sometimes, as Joseph Smith said, it is not always wise to speak out against evil… but the time will for sure come, when “Jacob is of age, then he will take care of himself.”
When the Church is ready; when a sufficient amount of the members are ready, the Church will no longer be silent in the domain of freedom and the proper role of government. (As we know from reading the scriptures, eventually, God’s Law will rule, and the World will come from Jerusalem; the Law from Zion.
Nate, just because there is decentralization that does not mean that there can be no transfer payments.
I wonder what happened in Britain that they needed to transfer £10,000,000 in 2002 but only half as much in 2003. Did they pay for a temple or other construction projects?
According to Robert Hales, Germany raises more money than it consumes, though that might have changed since unification. Hale also mentioned that Britain only raised half it’s budget. If the LDS Church adapted better to conditions in the country, they could be as strong as the Pentecostals or the New Apostolic Church. The latter has 377,000 members in Germany. We have fourteen stakes in all German speaking countries.
Germany will remain a secular country in the foreseeable future but other religions are doing a lot better with outreach and marketing than we do. We can only blame ourselves for provincialism and cultural imperialism. There are some “sins” that punish themselves. This is one of them.
Clark, what does abuse mean to you?
Well, 1989 would have been that time, Latter-day Conservative. Of course, their restraint was about self-interest. I understand that.
It’s just not especially heroic to fight communism in Idaho. Anybody can do that.
One has to admire the Quakers. They were never many but they have been consistently on the right side of history. They considered it more important to be the salt of the earth rather than being popular with the powerful.
LDS leaders have a solid track record coddling tyrants. Some have even justified the infamous disappearances by Argentina military junta.
“Nate, just because there is decentralization that does not mean that there can be no transfer payments.”
Um, Hellmut, I thought was what I said…
Sorry, Nate.
By abuse I simply meant activities by Bishops and Stake Presidents that aren’t what the brethren want in sufficiently large amounts that they tighten the reigns. Certainly there are benefits to de-centralization. And I think the management load as the church continues to grow will inexorably lead to more de-centralization. But I also suspect that it will be two steps forward, one step back approach to more decentralization, short of some major revelation to the Prophet that will seriously restructure the bureaucracy of the church.
Just to add, if South and Central America increase significantly in anti-American attitudes, then that might be something that would significantly force a rethinking of church bureaucracy.
If the LDS Church adapted better to conditions in the country, they could be as strong as the Pentecostals or the New Apostolic Church. The latter has 377,000 members in Germany.
That may or may not be true, Hellmut. Perhaps. But it does give one pause for thought: I never ever understood why the JW’s did so much better than us in Austria. Our excuse used to be that, well, Austria is rich, it’s Catholic, so they don’t want the Gospel. And yet, JW’s and others who faced the same challenges seemed to do better. Why?
In fact, according to most statistics that I’ve been able to find, Jehovah’s Witnesses have basically outperformed us in most parts of the world, especially over the last 20 years. According to adherents.com, the LDS church currently has 12,275,822 worldwide members, while the Jehovah’s Witnesses have 15,597,746 members (of one kind or another, since they have multiple categories of membership). So, Ronan, your question is valid for a lot of regions other than just Austria.
Supposedly, their convert retention is also much higher than ours.
I don’t know why this is the case. Certainly their religion is not less demanding than ours. Nor is it really any closer to “mainstream” Christianity. So, as far as I’m concerned, this remains a puzzle.
The JWs are most visible. I think that Seven Day Adventists, Pentecostals, and the New Apostolic Church are more successful.
My impression is that the membership of the Jehovah’s Witnesses is subject to similar dynamics as our own. Many people join, many people leave. On the upside, the Jehovah’s Witnesses are more authentic than Mormons. They didn’t compromise themselves with Nazi and Communist dictators. All their personnel is German. I have never seen an American Jehovah’s witness in Germany.
JW’s materials are actually worse than ours. The Watchtower looks like an Amway commercial from the fifties. But the JWs also target petit bourgeois folks only who don’t care about aesthetics.
The problem with our missionary program is that it is all about Americans. The mission presidents come for three years, aren’t accountable to anyone local, flood the wards with immigrant and psycho converts at any costs. If you have a pulse, you get baptized.
Bishops and branch presidents notice that and give up on proselytizing and retention. They say to the missionaries: “It’s a notch in your belt and an inactive that I have to hometeach.” The locals get a lot of problem cases without the resources to help them.
The best mission president ever was one of the Wirthlin brothers, a hospital administrator. He gave local leaders veto power over baptisms. That was a relief. (His older brother who was in Germany as an area president before he became an apostle never figured out what was going on in Germany. It was sad. He didn’t seem to care very much either).
I was a ward mission leader at the time. We baptized over fifty Nigerians and Ghanans. Most of them were deported within the year. But Wirthlin supported us with a couple and the stake president allowed us to set up a branch for the foreign converts. One of them actually became a bishop in Lagos. Those numbers made it easy for Wirthlin to give up some problem cases that would have cost us a lot.
I think that correlation has done a lot of damage too. It has stripped callings from their sense of purpose and congregations from their sense of community. The mood has decidedly shifted during my life time. Personal initiative is gone.
Pentecostals, by contrast, are allowed to do whatever as long as it doesn’t cross the line of heresy. Their members and ministers are enterprising.
In the seventies, when we build all the new chapels, we consolidated a lot of branches so that we would have enough members for wards. It was exciting but we did lose a lot of members who could not drive to the new locations and we surrendered a lot of local presence. A lot of the sites for chapels were unwisely chosen. Neighborhoods were not safe and inaccessible. Many chapels were broken into. I was booted once and so were others.
In light of recent membership statistics, which indicate that we are merely replacing fluctuation, I am wondering if other parts of the world experience similar trends. I have heard that Australia, like Germany, can only convert African and Asian immigrants without retaining them. The stories from Chile indicate that stakes and wards are consolidated by the dozens. I am not sure how much is true and how much is only scuttlebut. But the ward and stake stats from General Conference indicate that we the period of growth was over before the missionary stats declined.
Some of you might enjoy this graphic analysis of the conference demographic numbers.
In Germany, the performance of our competitors indicates that there are two to three million people that are willing to join an exzotic religion. Fourteen stakes in three countries amounts to approximately fifteen to twenty-thousand active members. To me that means that we can do better. But not without tough changes.
Davis and Nate, thanks for your substantive comments directly related to the post! Now that I have a moment or two, let me offer some responses.
Davis, with respect to foreign investment, there is reason for concern. If past events offer any guide, the mere election of someone like Morales with a leftist background will at least temporarily disrupt flows of foreign investment. This even happened for a while in Brazil when Lula was elected, so it will certainly be an issue for the more committed Morales. On the other hand, there’s a strong argument to be made that the experiments of the 1990s with transferring natural monopolies such as water systems to the private sector haven’t worked out. Prices for water in Bolivia are reportedly more than five times higher after adjusting for inflation than they were when the state ran the system. So, in effect, there’s a tradeoff between fixing the situation with respect to the economic use of water and other natural resources (a key demand of Morales’s core electoral constituency, by the way) and maintaining good relations with multinationals. However, if Morales doesn’t impose new taxes or expropriate any non-resource-based companies, it’s fairly likely that he’ll be able to smooth over relations with global capital. The only new leftist president in Latin America who hasn’t been able to do that is Chavez, and he’s deliberately antagonized the global marketplace in a number of different ways.
Nate, aside from natural resource policy and legalization of coca, Morales also wants to provide a stronge voice in Bolivian society for what he sees as the underrepresented indigenous population. To some extent, this involves granting legal recognition to indigenous local governments, but in other ways it will be more purely symbolic.
With respect to the broader question of how to pay for any changes in social policy, that’s a dilemma which unites the Latin American left. There’s no real answer to date, other than improvization. Chavez was able to restructure the Venezuelan oil company so that it produced dramatically higher profits and spent much less on internal bureaucracy. That restructuring, in conjunction with the rise in oil prices, has given him a lot more economic flexibility than expected. I don’t see any equivalent option for the relatively oil-poor Bolivia, so Morales will be forced to be creative.
I second this experience. In my ward in Peru, the American influence was apparent, especially for those in leadership positions. The clothes (all the bishopric wore the more American-influenced jacket and tie, and the RS presidency dresses), mannerisms (strong handshakes instead of kiss on the cheek for women, and more serious disposition for the bishopric), and of course the music and service were American-based.
But how could your plan for more regional independence work if the local leaders are chosen based partly on their conformity to American values?
I meant to refer to RT’s experience here:
I think that the election of a socialist is a wonderful thing for Bolivia. What has capitalism brought the bolivian people but vast inequality. Now maybe justice and equality will prevail.
I also think that it is wonderful that the bolivian president’s first visit is to cuba. A new wind is blowing in south america and it should be a welcomed wind. Che Guevarra is finally getting his revenge after all these years.
As far as the church is concerned I see no problem at the moment. I am sure that many church members voted socialist in bolivia.
Some of the antisocialist comments on this board are extremely america centered. There are many lds members throughout the world who vote socialist or green, especially in Europe.
The election of a socialist only shows that the bolivian people are tired of explotation and injustice. They want to take control of their own resources. What is wrong with that? Look to the IMF as an explanation for socialist gains.
But how could your plan for more regional independence work if the local leaders are chosen based partly on their conformity to American values?
That’s a great question. I think that Boyd Packer’s statement in his Talk to the All-Church Coordinating Council reveals the incentive environment for LDS decisionmakers:
“Elder Lee had agreed to give me counsel and some direction. He didn’t say much, nothing really in detail, but what he told me has saved me time and time again. “You must decide now which way you face,” he said. “Either you represent the teachers and students and champion their causes or you represent the Brethren who appointed you. You need to decide now which way you face.” Then he added, “Some of your predecessors faced the wrong way.” It took some hard and painful lessons before I understood his counsel. In time, I did understand, and my resolve to face the right way became irreversible.”
If that is how the Church operates then it is no wonder that we are unable to properly adapt to local conditions. Everyone is looking inside.
Speak of the devil, in today’s USA Today:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2005-12-29-bolivia-coca_x.htm
“I think that the election of a socialist is a wonderful thing for Bolivia”
I understand why you would want to think that socialism is a good thing for some countries. I lived in Haiti for 2 years as a missionary (2001-2002) - Haiti has never had success with democracy, and has been much better with a socialist-dictatorship - however, that doesn’t mean that Socialism is good. That’s like saying that Satan’s plan was better than Christ’s because everyone is saved without any effort…
Socialism is never a good thing; it is of the devil.
In the Church in Haiti, American influence was not a problem as some of you are suggesting it is for other countries.
The leaders were NOT chosen “based partly on their conformity to American values”. I do see that some leaders, in positions where they need to communicate with the Seventy or other Church Authorities, may have been chosen partly because they speak good english or because they are “well-off” and able to travel. In Haiti, though they use the same LDS Hymn Book (in French), their choice of which songs to sing varies from that in the Church in America; even the way they sing is different. In the Branches where our American Mission President chose the Branch Presidents, those Branch Presidents were actuall less “americanized” then Bishops in the wards in Haiti. There was never an issue of the Church in Haiti being to Americanized. Though I do see the need for lesson manuals to be written or modified for each specific country based on the culture, lifestyle and needs of the specific country. I personally like an idea presented by W. Cleon Skousen that the Church needs to stear away from the lesson manuals and teach more doctrine, teach more of the “meat” of the gospel, and teach more by the spirit.
why me: It seems to me that the biggest problems facing Bolivia is poverty. Redistributing a pitantance still leaves you with a pitance. Hence, it seems to me that what Bolivia and other developying countries need is less about redistribution than about economic growth and prosperity. I am perfectly willing to admit that transfer payments may be an important part of fostering development, but it seems to me that the goal has to be development. Cuba and Che, while holding some nostalgic value for the international Left, hardly seem to road to economic development. The IMF’s policies have not been great, but if the alternative is hog wild spending on social programs financed by increased debt, massive capital expropriation, or loose monetary policy, I don’t see that Bolivia is likely to be helped in the long run: inflation and paria status among international capital markets are not a recipe for economic development.
Fortunately, it is not clear the extent to which Morales actually represents anything all that close to old-style socialism in policy terms. RT — who seems like a knowledgable guy — is suggesting the opposite, and that much of Morales’ policies are likely to be directed toward corruption and taking some of the burden of the war on drugs off of poor coca farmers. Both of these seem like sensible and humane things to do in my book, but niether of them strikes me as especially socialist.
Excellent discussion on the most important issues for the future of the worldwide Church. I think that there is a possible new option on the centralization/decentralization scale which may mediate the concerns about “abuse” which have often led to centralization in the past. In previous eras of the Church outside the US, there were bascially two levels of government, either Salt Lake City or local stake or district leaders. The relatively inexperienced local leaders probably did generate bad decisions at a greater rate than leaders in the Mormon heartland with much greater personal and cultural experience. And even if that was not a factor, no stake or district could possibly provide the personnel resources to produce locally oriented curricula, procedures, buildings, liturgy, welfare programs, etc., etc. which would make the Church more genuinely indigenous.
However, there is a middle option which is already nascent. This is to give greater authority and autonomy to new immediate governing bodies like the new Quorums of Seventy. If they were staffed by long-term GAs and staff of local origins and vested with primary authority over budgetary, curricular, procedural, welfare and related matters, there would be a possibility that authentic national expressions of the Church would emerge without the strain and inconstancy that would come from trying to do this on stake and district levels.
However, for this to be truly effective, such regoinal governing bodies would have to be delegated real authority and autonomy. Only major veto and emergency authority could remain at the general Church, and that only exercised directly by the Quorum of Twelve, not Salt Lake based junior GAs or bureaucrats. Most critically, these regoinal bodies would have to control the missionary program in their regions, in order to develop proselyting and retention programs that will work in the local cultures. These measures would also avoid the biggest abuse of all in the Church, which is the baptism of unconverted, poorly taught, and egregiously ill-prepared converts by American missionairies and mission presidents who are heedless of the consequences to both the local members and the salvation of their so-called “converts.”
On the political/economic side I suspect that Latin America is simply moving into the left side of one of its regular historical left-right cycles. What is different this time is that there has been a tremendous growth in non-Catholic religions during the previous 30 years’ right side of the cycle (of which Mormons are a small part). I suspect that the more indigenous evangelical churches will fare better than the still highly Americanized Mormon Church but time will tell.
That’s a good point, Nate. The socialist label probably signifies only patriotism and peasant identity in terms of poverty and race. May be, Roasted Tomatoes has some insights.
There is a lot of room between IMF policies and expropriation, especially for an economy that can expand via resource extraction.
By the way, the IMF has its own share of corrupt projects under the guise of liberalization. The privatization of drinking water on behalf of French and American conglomerates comes to mind.
Traditionally, local elites and multi-national corporations split the profit of resource extraction. As long as someone can make a profit, the Bolivean government can negotiate moe advantageous terms for the Bolivian people. One could dedicate a share of the gas profits to infrastructure and education investments rather than privatizing and expatriating the lion share.
The challenge is political or institutional. Why should Morales dedicate these resources to the creation of public goods? His predecessors sold out to foreign investors because it was worth their while. How could Morales benefit when his government invests into Bolivia?
If Morales’ time horizon is short then one should expect that he uses gas proceeds for himself and his family. If his time horizon is long then he will use the gas money to build and sustain his power base.
With respect to foreign or domestic control, the best way for Morales to establish control is not to own the well heads but the pipelines. If his government can control the transportation of the gas then it won’t matter that foreigners mine the gas.
In the war in Heaven it was those who supported socialist/communistic principles who were on Satan’s side
Huh??
I see nothing in the scriptures that states that the War in Heaven was a case of conservatism vs. liberalism.
What I do see is that “Satan rebelled… and sought to destroy the agency of man” and was therefore cast out as a result.
There is no lack of conservatives in this world who are more than happy to impose their vision of heaven on everyone and see nothing at all wrong in placing restrictions on my agency in the process. Scripture principles tell me that they are entirely on the wrong road.
My point is a simple one. Years of exploitation and corruption in bolivia has now given birth to a socialist government. And in my opinion this is a good thing for the bolivian people. What has a market economy brought the bolivian people except the exploitation of its resources.
As far as che and castro are concerned I think that you will find much respect for these two individuals in latin america. For many of the downtrodden, the image of che can sigify hope and rebellion and castro represents an alternative vision to the classical neoliberal vision that the world is now receiving at the hands of media and government sources.
I thought that it was great the the bolivian president paid a visit to castro as his first stop of protocol. Change is in the wind…and that is not a bad thing.
I don’t think that socialism is of the devil but certainly capitalism does seem to incorporate many of the seven deadly sins into its line of ideological thinking. Which is more of the adversary? Socialism or capitalism?
While I’m not fan of socialism, having had a family business nationalized by the Canadian government in the past, I do think that this move towards socialism has largely come from the neglect of the poor in these countries. It’s something that I think Americans ought keep an open mind towards. If one wants long term economic prosperity, then you can’t neglect the poor. And solutions that take 20 - 40 years are simply too long. In democracies you have to have a mix of short term solutions, the perception of real progress and then the long term. Whether these S. American and C. American governments neglect the long term for the short term remains to be seen.
I think there are very good reasons to have more free trade. And I honestly think protectionism (which is hardly unique to socialism or even necessary for socialism) is a short term bandage with long term solutions. But I also understand why the rest of the Americas (including Canada) are distrustful of the US and see the US (particularly Bush) as hypocritical on free trade. I think we’ve caused a lot of our own problems.
I was talking to my brother and he thought Canada might move independent of the US towards closer trading ties with the rest of the Americas. Some feel that Bush and company have focused on Mexico so much that they’ve neglected Canada.
why me: The emotional response of latin american voters to che and castro and the esteem in which they are held tells us absolutely nothing about the efficacy of their policies.
You are very enthusiastic about the relative merits of competing -isms, but it is far from clear that they really tell us all that much about policies, practices, and results. The ultimate test of Morales presidency is not going to be its symbolic significance, but the concrete consequences that it has in people’s lives.
” But I also understand why the rest of the Americas (including Canada) are distrustful of the US and see the US (particularly Bush) as hypocritical on free trade.”
I have always assumed that the reason that people see Bush as being hypocritical on free trade is that he is hypocritical on free trade ;->…
To Mark N:
I never said that “the War in Heaven was a case of conservatism vs. liberalism.” In fact I didn’t even use the words liberal or conservative. I related the war in heaven to socialism/communism vs. the opposite: freedom.
Since you seem to be clueless regarding the similarities of socialism/communism and satan’s plan in the war in heaven, I will quote from a prophet:
“Should it be of concern to us when the mouthpiece of the Lord keeps constantly and consistently raising his voice of warning about the loss of our freedom as he has over the years? There are two unrighteous ways to deal with his prophetic words of warning: you can fight them or you can ignore them. Either course will bring you disaster in the long run.”
“Hear his words: “No greater immediate responsibility rests upon members of the Church, upon all citizens of this Republic and of neighboring Republics than to protect the freedom vouchsafed by the Constitution of the United States.” (Cited in Jerreld L. Newquist, Prophets, Principles and National Survival [SLC: Publishers Press, 1964], p. 157.) As important as are all other principles of the gospel, it was the freedom issue which determined whether you received a body. To have been on the wrong side of the freedom issue during the war in heaven meant eternal damnation. How then can Latter-day Saints expect to be on the wrong side in this life and escape the eternal consequences? The war in heaven is raging on earth today. The issues are the same: “Shall men be compelled to do what others claim is for their best welfare” or will they heed the counsel of the prophet and preserve their freedom?”
“Satan argued that men given their freedom would not choose correctly therefore he would compel them to do right and save us all. Today Satan argues that men given their freedom do not choose wisely; therefore a so-called brilliant, benevolent few must establish the welfare government and force us into a greater socialistic society. We are assured of being led into the promised land as long as we let them put a golden ring in our nose. In the end we lose our freedom and the promised land also. No matter what you call it—communism, socialism, or the welfare state—our freedom is sacrificed. We believe the gospel is the greatest thing in the world; why then do we not force people to join the Church if they are not smart enough to see it on their own? Because this is Satan’s way not the Lord’s plan. The Lord uses persuasion and love.” [Ezra Taft Benson quoting David O. McKay. General Conference Talk - April 1965]
Nate: There is also another factor to consider: The outside meddling of the US government in the affairs of Bolivia. This can be a factor as it was for allende’s government in Chile.
It is not easy to buck global capital and it certainly not easy to keep back good ol’ Uncle Sam from messing in your backyard. And here is where I think the problem will be for Morales as it is for most left oriented leaders.
Latter-Day Conservative
Can you explain how the United Order and Law of Consecration differ from socialism? Socialism is an economic system, not a political system.
Can you separate out socialism the economics from socialism the political system? I think you make a divide that is impossible.
Of course tied into all of this is the debate over the meaning of freedom. American conservatives tend to take freedom as just freedom from. i.e. to be free is not to be interferred with. Those of a more socialist bent (ignoring for now the socialist libertarians) we have the notion of freedom as freedom to. Thus the appeals to affirmative action, economic subsidies and so forth for the poor.
RT,
First of all…excellent work and insight. I appreciate how your practical expertise comes out and mixes with your more hypothetical posits.
If there is inspiration in this church I would be thrilled if it were made manifest by the realities of US foreign relations…how contrary that would be to the jingoistic suppositions of so many CONUS members that the borders of the US represent the kingdom of god.
How truly beautiful it would be if the common people of the world were the means of separating the church from it’s socio-economic and doctrinal dependency on US supremacy…if as you say, the church could begin to openly…:
How beautiful that would be…how inspiring…how I would begin to again beleive that Jesus of Nazareth is the strength of the church.
And again, how utterly profound yet consistent with and all loving god that the common people of the world would be in a position to teach and influence the high places.
Well, done. I’m inspired.
Space Chick,
You want to know how the United Order and Law of Consecration differ from socialism?
Socialism, simply stated, is a system or “systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.”
I am against forced-Government socialism. If a community decides to do something collectively, and doesn’t force everyone to join in, then that’s fine. That type of socialism is similar to the United Order. But once FORCE is in play, it comes of evil.
God doesn’t force a person to follow his way, even though His plan is best. But that person must face the eternal consequences of the choice.
The United Order and Law of Consecration are not and will not be forced upon anyone. You can be part of it if you choose, or you can easily opt-out. It is your choice.
But with Government socialism, that choice is taken away. Sadly our government is being more and more socialistic each year. Currently, through taxes, I am forced to pay for other peoples welfare, medicare, WIC, etc. and many other unconstitutional-government programs. I cannot simply opt-out. Thus socialism is evil.
For now, because people as a whole aren’t righteous enough for the Law of Consecration / United Order we must take advantage of the next best thing: Capitalism.
Capitalism is the next best thing to the Law of Consecration? Is that in the scriptures somewhere? The Ensign? Is that correlated doctrine? Or is that your opinion.
And taxes are heavily used, arguably more so than for social programs, to promote an atmosphere where capitalism can flourish (at least the brand of capitalism that favors US-based corporations)…though defense spending, corporate subsidies, government contracts, diplomatic services, road and other infrastructure investment, law enforcement, etc, etc…
My taxes go to pay for that stuff and I can’t opt out, arguably because I benefit by it. Is this evil too? Or is taxation only evil when it pays for social programs or things we personally don’t directly benefit from?
Latter-day Conservative:
I think there’s a serious ambiguity for your point of view in the Utah history of the United Order. During the United Order period, most Mormons literally accepted the church’s “Kingdom of God” as the government. Hence, the United Order was implemented by the government in a top-down manner and was perhaps not as voluntary as you depict it.
RT,
What is the best book, if one exists, that I could read to learn more about the Saints during the United Order period.
RT,
Since this you wrote this post, the Chilean elections were completed. I wrote a brief post on my site called: A Woman for All Nations…
…but I’d like to read your informed thoughts on the election of Michelle Bachelet.
Would you be will in to do a follow-up post?
RT,
I am glad some spam hit this post to bring it to my attention. This topic is very interesting to me. It seems that in the months since the original post the left-shift has continued (both Mexico and Peru appear headed the same direction). And while I think that the U.S. government needs to be concerned (because it will limit U.S. access to Latin American markets and resources), the only response for the U.S. is to continue to engage Morales, Bachelet, etc. as neighbors and democratic allies. Chavez seems to be more of an anomaly (perhaps he can be more vocal because of his oil reserves), as it doesn’t seem that Morales is following his vitriolic anti-Americanism.
The problem with U.S.-Latin American relations is that it has never been a two-way street and until the U.S. treats Latin America with respect and not condescension there will be no real understanding.
Additionally, Latin America has many reasons to hate U.S. economic policy. The USG advocates international free market policies for others, but doesn’t apply them at home to itself. This hipocrisy is very obvious to Latin America and they have no reason to follow suit if the U.S. is going to continue in its historical path of exploitation and domination.
Mike,
You’re right that the leftward shift in Latin America seems to be continuing. It seems increasingly likely (after substantial initial uncertainty) that Peru is going to have a presidential run-off between Ollanta Humala, a leftist-populist with military background who describes himself as analogous to Chavez, and Alan Garcia, the center-left politician best known for managing Peru’s economy into the ground in the late 1980s. (Garcia has spent more than a decade trying to distance himself from the mistakes he made in the 1980s; he may well do a better job in a second administration, although anyone who is worried about the prospect would seem to be justified.) Either of these candidates would represent a dramatic turn toward the left in comparison with the last few presidents of Peru, who have followed–more or less–the IMF line in policy.
Of these two candidates, I’d project Garcia as the likely winner for now; Humala scares too many people. However, if Garcia fails as president, Humala may well be the long-term victor.
Technical note: about 16% of the first-round votes still remain to be counted, and the margin between Garcia and the third-place candidate is quite narrow. However, almost all of the remaining votes come from rural areas, where Garcia and Humala are strong but the third-place candidate is weak. Hence, it is perhaps reasonable to expect Garcia’s margin as second-place finisher to become slightly wider as the remaining votes are counted,.
An informed update on the “progress” of Morales’ tenure. Quite sad it seems.
my post was supposed to include this link
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB115707448848251392.html?mod=opinion_main_featured_stories_hs
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